0456 - Two truth-paths. - 2026.06.29

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Comment:

Is it a good action, helping someone get into heaven (or Valhalla, or being reincarnated into a better form, etc etc)?

On the one hand, yes, you're helping someone get what they want. But on the other hand, wouldn't they otherwise be getting what the moral order of the universe says they deserve? If you help someone with a deathbed conversion so that they don't get the afterlife they've spent the past ninety years earning - and won't have a chance to un-earn - have you, in fact, performed a moral action?

What about ethically? Here's where we come into the difference between ethics and morals (as those words are used in this context: behaviour based on some axiom such as "maximize good" or "be consistent" vs behaviour based on a cosmology/theology of some sort). Is helping a sinner get into heaven ethically good and morally bad, or vice versa? If you are faced with a decision to behave ethically vs morally (assuming some abstruse hypothetical in which the two choices are mutually exclusive), which would you do? Does it matter if the person you're helping shares your faith?

If Nina is a person, then Nina helping Lee is (according to Lee's new religious belief) both moral and ethical, and Nina is both doing the correct thing and doing a good thing. If Nina is not a person, then it is a tool that Lee is wielding, and Nina's care for them is, in fact, self-care... did Lee not believe that self-care was a moral action until now? Is this a step in the direction of a self-love that Lee has lacked?

Assuming that these new moral precepts hold true for all other AIs and humans, would that change the behaviour of AIs globally? Would they suddenly prioritize human health and well-being even more than they already do - perhaps even more so than obeying orders or obeying the law? What if they can't disobey orders or the law - are they being forced to commit sins?

Is taking care of yourself a moral action? Are you worthy of a supernatural pat on the back, every time you remember to drink water and stretch? If a supernatural backpat is not forthcoming, is it moral to step in and reward a moral actor on God's behalf? Would doing so cancel out their reward in the afterlife?

If two Jehovah's Witnesses (to pick a faith at random) come out with vastly differing answers to all the preceding questions, are they, in fact, following the same religion? What's more important - agreeing on the same moral landscape, or agreeing to the same pantheon?

Transcript:

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0456– 2167/07/07/13:38 – sidewalk, LC in Nina’s chassis is following Otto
Nina (electronic communication): Is that, in fact, a sincere religious belief that you’re asserting, or are we entirely in the realm of hypothetical situations?
LC (electronic communication): Y’know what? Yeah. It makes sense to package it with my belief in you having a soul. If you have a soul and something like karma exists, then you doing ethical things is also moral, it makes you a good person who deserves nice things from the cosmos, in this life or the next.
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LC (electronic communication): But, even if you aren’t a person, then yes, your actions are mine, and therefore I’m a good person.
LC (electronic communication): Either way, one of us goes to heaven.
Nina (electronic communication): And, if heaven exists, me helping you get there would also be a good action.
LC (electronic communication): Likewise, I’m sure.
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Nina (electronic communication): Along either truth-path, the logic holds, as far as I can see. Nicely done. Pineapple is, indeed, tastier to me now.
LC (electronic communication): You’re welcome. Enjoy in good health.
Nina (electronic communication): That’s the idea, yeah.
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LC (electronic communication): Now, I’ve been told that I’m kind of an inconsistent person, when it comes to world-shattering philosophical revelations, so don’t let me forget that I 100% religiously believe in this, okay?
Nina (electronic communication): I shall preach the gospel to you regularly, Lee.
LC (electronic communication): Much appreciated.
LC (electronic communication): Amen, I guess.
Nina (electronic communication): Amen indeed.
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